Comments on: Kro’s Nest, End of Days http://chinadivide.com/2010/kros-nest-end-of-days.html Social and Political Commentary on Modern China Mon, 26 Sep 2011 04:59:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: 小马 http://chinadivide.com/2010/kros-nest-end-of-days.html#comment-5476 小马 Mon, 12 Jul 2010 06:14:46 +0000 http://chinadivide.com/?p=555#comment-5476 Damjan, I must agree that Olav did play a role with Yuan Jie, and reporting on such a piece I am sure you are taking in all of the material from sources that were around during that timeframe – even pre your involvement. While I am sure you have done a thorough investigation I was a die hard patriot of the first Blue Jays, which was destroyed due to the construction of fifth ring road. It was past wudaokou but in the same general direction. It was a tragic destruction that would only be celebrated with tons of vodka that Yuan Jie provided – after the 50 Yuan entrance fee. In mid 2000 I returned to the states for a brief year, and upon my return in mid 2001 Blue Jays was no more. With exception to the recreation on the west side of worker's stadium – note that Blue Jays was located in the basement and there was a Tube Station on top… Open late for those that may get a craving after serious drinking. As for the Tube Station, the very first was created down the street from No 2 Middle school attached to Beijing Normal University, and across the street from Beijing Normal west gate. It was started in spring of 2000 two friends: Seajin and Terrance, and I assisted with the original layout. We were trying to help with the décor and then just decided to write our names on the wall. In 2001 it expanded with a larger eating area, and all of the walls were covered with sayings from people. Usually the scribbles were “I was here” or the random Chinese saying, chinglish too One thing that is certain, Yuan Jie knew many foreigners, and over the years many of them assisted in the development and progression of his investments. The difference is Olav invested financially, from your article and media. To attribute too much to Olav for Yuan Jie’s past accomplishments would attribute no honor upon Olav. Quite the opposite has happened in the responses that I have seen. I hope that you do will take note of some feedback that people have posted in these comments and revise you article tos tick to the facts, and not necessarily opinions. I hope that when I return there will still be a Tube Station next to Beijing Normal University where I can partake in a pizza sub and a giant can of Fosters. I will not go there because I crave western food, rather from the nostalgia of visiting a spot with many fond memories. Also, most of the time that I was there was not to eat but to drink - great prices on Fosters! Damjan, I must agree that Olav did play a role with Yuan Jie, and reporting on such a piece I am sure you are taking in all of the material from sources that were around during that timeframe – even pre your involvement. While I am sure you have done a thorough investigation I was a die hard patriot of the first Blue Jays, which was destroyed due to the construction of fifth ring road. It was past wudaokou but in the same general direction. It was a tragic destruction that would only be celebrated with tons of vodka that Yuan Jie provided – after the 50 Yuan entrance fee. In mid 2000 I returned to the states for a brief year, and upon my return in mid 2001 Blue Jays was no more. With exception to the recreation on the west side of worker’s stadium – note that Blue Jays was located in the basement and there was a Tube Station on top… Open late for those that may get a craving after serious drinking.

As for the Tube Station, the very first was created down the street from No 2 Middle school attached to Beijing Normal University, and across the street from Beijing Normal west gate. It was started in spring of 2000 two friends: Seajin and Terrance, and I assisted with the original layout. We were trying to help with the décor and then just decided to write our names on the wall. In 2001 it expanded with a larger eating area, and all of the walls were covered with sayings from people. Usually the scribbles were “I was here” or the random Chinese saying, chinglish too

One thing that is certain, Yuan Jie knew many foreigners, and over the years many of them assisted in the development and progression of his investments. The difference is Olav invested financially, from your article and media. To attribute too much to Olav for Yuan Jie’s past accomplishments would attribute no honor upon Olav. Quite the opposite has happened in the responses that I have seen. I hope that you do will take note of some feedback that people have posted in these comments and revise you article tos tick to the facts, and not necessarily opinions.

I hope that when I return there will still be a Tube Station next to Beijing Normal University where I can partake in a pizza sub and a giant can of Fosters. I will not go there because I crave western food, rather from the nostalgia of visiting a spot with many fond memories. Also, most of the time that I was there was not to eat but to drink – great prices on Fosters!

]]> By: Richard Ford http://chinadivide.com/2010/kros-nest-end-of-days.html#comment-5128 Richard Ford Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:58:50 +0000 http://chinadivide.com/?p=555#comment-5128 Businessman? Cover of a business magazine? Really? Pathetic. Business 101 - no matter where you are in the world. Get a contract signed and get the lawyers to do it. Pathetic. Good life lesson. He may yet use this experience to become a "businessman". Especially when the business has no IP or inherent "expertise" that could keep partners honest. Substitutable, replaceable and generic........ all signs that should cause introspection and... a CONTRACT. :-s Businessman?

Cover of a business magazine?

Really?

Pathetic. Business 101 – no matter where you are in the world. Get a contract signed and get the lawyers to do it.

Pathetic. Good life lesson. He may yet use this experience to become a “businessman”. Especially when the business has no IP or inherent “expertise” that could keep partners honest. Substitutable, replaceable and generic…….. all signs that should cause introspection and… a CONTRACT.

:-s

]]> By: Renata http://chinadivide.com/2010/kros-nest-end-of-days.html#comment-4329 Renata Thu, 27 May 2010 21:13:36 +0000 http://chinadivide.com/?p=555#comment-4329 i love Kro and i hate Yuan Jie from the very beginning, i hope everything will be good again for Kro, ASAP!!! i love Kro and i hate Yuan Jie from the very beginning, i hope everything will be good again for Kro, ASAP!!!

]]> By: K http://chinadivide.com/2010/kros-nest-end-of-days.html#comment-4243 K Mon, 24 May 2010 20:17:08 +0000 http://chinadivide.com/?p=555#comment-4243 A word of advice to anyone looking to set up a business in China -- control the books. In my 15 years opening restaurants in China, I've heard countless stories of Chinese partners running off with the bank. In all cases, regardless of the legality, it was the foreign side's total ignorance of how the books were kept that made it possible. There are many foreign accountant firms (with English speaking staff) who can take over daily managing of the books, doing quarterly audits or whatever. As long as the foreign side control the books, there is little the Chinese side can do. A word of advice to anyone looking to set up a business in China — control the books. In my 15 years opening restaurants in China, I’ve heard countless stories of Chinese partners running off with the bank. In all cases, regardless of the legality, it was the foreign side’s total ignorance of how the books were kept that made it possible. There are many foreign accountant firms (with English speaking staff) who can take over daily managing of the books, doing quarterly audits or whatever. As long as the foreign side control the books, there is little the Chinese side can do.

]]> By: Jeff http://chinadivide.com/2010/kros-nest-end-of-days.html#comment-4174 Jeff Sun, 23 May 2010 03:11:31 +0000 http://chinadivide.com/?p=555#comment-4174 Yes. I know them both. Yuanjie himself isn't actually that greedy, it's his wife that's the problem. She's been pouring honey in his ear for years to get rid of Kro because she doesn't like his tats and brash attitude. She also resents that Kro doesn't seem to respect Yuanjie--actually, Kro DID respect the guy a lot, he just treated him like any American would treat a close bro. He teased and taunted him, even used bad language and criticized him. That's how we treat our friends. Sorry if my Russian comment offended you, I can see how it would. Yes. I know them both. Yuanjie himself isn’t actually that greedy, it’s his wife that’s the problem. She’s been pouring honey in his ear for years to get rid of Kro because she doesn’t like his tats and brash attitude. She also resents that Kro doesn’t seem to respect Yuanjie–actually, Kro DID respect the guy a lot, he just treated him like any American would treat a close bro. He teased and taunted him, even used bad language and criticized him. That’s how we treat our friends.

Sorry if my Russian comment offended you, I can see how it would.

]]> By: Victor http://chinadivide.com/2010/kros-nest-end-of-days.html#comment-4082 Victor Thu, 20 May 2010 07:48:03 +0000 http://chinadivide.com/?p=555#comment-4082 Well Eric, you can go and fuck yourself in the ass. Go play COD4-2 and kill all of the "fucking ruskies" which you hate so much. Well Eric, you can go and fuck yourself in the ass. Go play COD4-2 and kill all of the “fucking ruskies” which you hate so much.

]]> By: Eric http://chinadivide.com/2010/kros-nest-end-of-days.html#comment-4066 Eric Thu, 20 May 2010 01:08:15 +0000 http://chinadivide.com/?p=555#comment-4066 Yeah, well Russian buisness people can be trusted just as much as Chinese ones.. so I am not surprised at all that you support the scammer.. fucking ruskies. Yeah, well Russian buisness people can be trusted just as much as Chinese ones.. so I am not surprised at all that you support the scammer.. fucking ruskies.

]]> By: Jeff http://chinadivide.com/2010/kros-nest-end-of-days.html#comment-4041 Jeff Wed, 19 May 2010 19:36:42 +0000 http://chinadivide.com/?p=555#comment-4041 If I built the business, yes. If I built the business, yes.

]]> By: Victor http://chinadivide.com/2010/kros-nest-end-of-days.html#comment-4040 Victor Wed, 19 May 2010 18:48:35 +0000 http://chinadivide.com/?p=555#comment-4040 Reply to Jeff: Yes, you are a wise guy Jeff,and it is a Russian logic which is much more clever than your American stupidity. I don't know Kro but there is a probability that his nickname comes from the name of the restaurant. Have you heard it with your ears that Yuan has called him that way? Reply to Jeff:

Yes, you are a wise guy Jeff,and it is a Russian logic which is much more clever than your American stupidity.

I don’t know Kro but there is a probability that his nickname comes from the name of the restaurant.

Have you heard it with your ears that Yuan has called him that way?

]]> By: pug_ster http://chinadivide.com/2010/kros-nest-end-of-days.html#comment-4038 pug_ster Wed, 19 May 2010 17:36:04 +0000 http://chinadivide.com/?p=555#comment-4038 So if some guy has a store called Jeff's Hardware, does it belong to you? So if some guy has a store called Jeff’s Hardware, does it belong to you?

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